Chessable. Chess-Tempo. Chess Position Trainer. These are just some of the opening trainers out there. They all work more or less the same: you train your openings on a real board, and spaced repetition determines what positions you are to train. They differ in features but essentially serve the same niche.
I spent 3+ years using Chessable. I spent another year on Chess-Tempo. And now I've stopped. Completely. This post will explain why. The short answer: these don't provide enough value for the time investment. The longer answer... well, read on.
The Time Cost
Let's start here, as it's the reason I quit these cold turkey. It ultimately comes down to the nature of spaced repetition systems. In theory, you are supposed to recall something right before you would have forgotten it; this puts it deeper into your long-term memory, and you can go progressively longer before you need to recall it again... but it always comes back up again. Things never graduate or retire; they always come back.
Doing it correctly also means doing it every day. If you miss a day, then you have missed the ideal recall time for a group of moves. That throws the schedule out of whack and likely defeats the purpose of spaced repetition. In short, if you want to reap the benefits, you need to commit time daily.
We can see the problem emerging: you train everyday and things never go away. Now add into the mix learning new material. The more you learn, the more you have to train everyday, and the more items that will never go away enter your schedule. By design, this is unsustainable longterm.
I thought it was fine. At my height, I logged into Chessable 4-6 times a day, generally for 5-15min at set times: when I wake-up, morning break, lunch, afternoon break, before dinner, before bed. No session felt that restrictive, but it adds up. How much? Here's my four-month snapshot.
As a legal professional, I have software that tracks my time on various sites for billing purposes. In 2023, I used it to track some personal stats, just for fun. This was my Q1 total. When I saw this, I stopped the next day.
5min here, 15min there doesn't seem like much, but it adds up. Seeing this total flabbergasted me, quite honestly. Now, by itself, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's just one side of the equation. The question becomes, are the results I am getting worth this time investment?
My Terrible Results
During this time, I primarily played blitz on lichess. I've spent a huge amount of time learning the Sveshnikov and Classical Sicilians. Some of these lines approach move 30. Let's see my games. Out of 549 games starting with 1.e4 c5:
- Sveshnikov 2...Nc6: 257 total games
- Open Sicilian: 157 games (61%)
- 6. Nb5 (by far the main move in the course): 79 games (30%)
- 7.Bg5 (the start of the mainline): 49 games (19%)
- Classical: 2...d6: Only 42 games
- Open Sicilian: 31 games (74%)
- Rauzer 6.Bg5 (by far the most critical): 9 games (21%)
- Silly 6.Be3 (barely any trainable coverage): 8 games (19%)
Forget move 30, I am not even hitting move 7! In only 20% of my games, 1 in 5, am I reaching the main tabiya. This is literally the starting point of these Chessable courses. The vast majority of the time, my in-depth opening knowledge is useless.
Worse than useless, actually. Subjectively, I still felt uncertain about what moves to play. Can you imagine that? Investing 100+ hours into something, not feeling like I know it just a few moves in. That is completely unacceptable. When I learned most of IM Dembo's Grunfeld book back in the day, I invested far less time and had much better knowledge, recall and subjective confidence in my moves. Granted, I was playing correspondence at the time, not blitz, so I didn't feel the same time pressure to make my moves quickly, but my conclusion stands: Chessable is much easier than a physical book ... but not more effective. Not even close.
Why?
I can think of several reasons. First, studying on these platforms is nothing like playing in a real game. Chessable has some pretty glaring technical limitations, but this extends to all of the options I've tried. Fundamentally, these simply train you to react to moves. You don't think about your opponent, you don't look at their plans or ideas; your focus is solely, 100%, on your own rote replies. You get very good at shooting off several moves in the blink of an eye, often without fully knowing if there are other reasonable replies for either side. It's not programed in, so it doesn't matter ... until it comes up in a game, and it does matter.
Said another way, because you only make your own moves, you tend to ignore the opposite side. I've reached the point where I knew how to react to moves XYZ, but show me any given position and I wouldn't know what my opponent's best moves are. By design, these programs only teach you half the opening; you learn your side, but not your opponent's.
Second, reviewing moves is not the same as reviewing the plans, the ideas and the structures of the opening. Rote reviewing the moves does not engage these more fundamental concepts, and it often feels like this gets lost in the shuffle. Knowing that 7.Bxf6 is the best move doesn't do much if you can't explain why it is.
Third, their strength may by a weakness. As they say, easy come, easy go. With a click of the mouse you can load a variation and speed through all the moves. I know I've definitely had times where a position came up and I had no memory of ever seeing it before, let alone learning it! Things happen so quickly, so effortlessly, that you might not fully turn on your brain.
Compare this with a book and a real board. I set up the pieces and move them myself. When I explore a side variation, I have to manually go backwards and re-set the board. Often this means going all the way back to the beginning and starting over. If you explore 3-6 side variations like this, that means you have 3-6 more repetitions through the beginning moves to reach that point. You naturally get more exposure, and it's no surprise I remembered it so much better. Books are harder, or at least less convenient, but that very fact lets it sink in that much deeper.
Finally, all of these programs confuse "doing something once" with "knowing it." The entire premise of spaced repetition is to prompt recall of something right before you would normally forget it. This is entirely useless if you didn't learn something in the first place. In many cases, I would go through a given variation and not understand all the details. I would benefit from going through it again, probably several more times ... but the UI of all these sites discourages this. Very easy to go and "learn" new material; very hard to repeat the line you just did.
This seems completely opposite of how we learn ... well, basically everything else. Imagine you are learning a new language and there's a whole list of vocabulary to learn. Are you going to read each item once and then try again 4hrs from now? That's the default Chessable mode, and it's silly. No, you would go several times through the list, testing yourself along the way, making note of which ones aren't sticking and trying them again. Maybe you make some mnemonics to help, or you might handwrite the entire list out just for practice. After you do all this, after you are fairly comfortable with the material, does it make sense to enter spaced repetition mode.
None of the programs operate like this. They simply assume you saw something once and so you know it. That's silly.
Conclusion
I stopped using opening trainers and reclaimed dozens of hours each month. My opening knowledge has taken only a modest hit, and it would take just a small amount of work to get back to normal. I don't miss the grind at all, and I will never go back. Ultimately, I think all of these platforms are fundamentally broken: they give the illusion of progress.
I am not necessarily advocating that other people should stop using these sites. I am merely documenting my experiences. If yours match mine, you might consider stepping away. I certainly have no regrets.
I am so glad you said this out loud. I assume that all those opening courses work for some people, but they just never clicked for me as a good learning tool, and I assumed it was because of my (admittedly low) level.
ReplyDeleteI think the lower your level, the more idea-based learning helps. For example, here is your normal set-up, here are some thematic tactics, here are the normal plans, etc. Takes very little time and covers 70% of your games. The trainers like Chessable can't do this, though, because they focus on move-by-move lines rather than conceptual ideas. Until this fundamental issue is addressed, they simply are not that useful, especially for low-levels, imo.
DeleteAgreed. After months of work I got absolutely nothing out of Chessable unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteBetter months than years, if it's any consolation!
DeleteHello Smithy, Heavypieces here, love the new blog! Very interesting to see your thoughts on Chessable, which I am still a fan of, despite the UI and other irritations, and what pops into my mind is this: agreed, rote learning is very far from understanding. But, what about certain courses - with the video - that explain things very deeply? For me, a stand-out example is Michiel Abeln’s Dutch Leningrad course. His strategic video explanations are incredible, and really impart a profound understanding of the opening, more than I’ve found in any published book. Admittedly that course, with its 60+ hours of video, is something of an outlier, but something similar could be said also of Sielecki, whose text-heavy courses don’t even need the additional video purchase. I always struggled with remembering an opening repertoire in the past but I find Chessable has helped enormously in this, and some of that must be down to the move trainer. However I am still struggling to remember large sections of The Iron English two years after purchase…so I’m not sure if I’m not deluding myself a little.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Heavypieces. My short response would be there's a distinction between Chessable's CONTENT and its FORMAT. The content, the courses themselves, are very good. The format, though, is a problem. Imagine the same course in PGN format. Infinitely better. Fundamentally, I'm no longer convinced the spaced-repetition technology applied to openings is useful (or if it is useful it is far less than we think).
DeleteAs an aside, I've shared a course with you. It's my condensed version of the Iron English. I basically take only the most important lines and ideas, and I set it up to train by tabiya. Just something to take a look at. It's perhaps an example of the Chessable format being bad again, because my version (lots of short variations, and key moves leading to major tabiyas, starting on the same moves right before and after a certain sacrifice or other difficult move) is how I would like to see all courses structured. Might be interesting to take a look (excuse the typos inside!)
Thanks very much! I’ll be very interested to see what lines you’ve chosen and anything that helps me absorb the main course is appreciated. Lately I have been wondering if it’s the best choice for my White repertoire. There are aspects I really like, such as the actual Botvinnik structures, but the problem is that the English allows Black such a wide choice of responses leading to radically different structures. And Palliser, who generally does a very good job with the course, does seem to recommend some very computer-ish moves in certain lines. Anyway thanks again!
DeleteSmithyQ - I'm glad you are back in circulation. And I'm glad I stumbled on this post about Chessable. I have been grinding the MoveTrainer for months and (like you) feel that I am not confidently learning - I think you've "given me permission" to rethink and change my approach. In the absence of Chessable, what did you start doing instead?
ReplyDeleteThanks Mark. The short answer is nothing. I haven't touched an opening trainer. I occasionally review master games in my chosen openings, but I'm not concerned about move orders or getting the exact variations that I play. I'm mostly interested in being able to answer the three questions I wrote in a different blog post. If I can do that verbally, then I can confidently play my opening.
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I honestly do think Chessable (or the equivalents) have any value. Not because the material is bad (most of it is very high quality analysis) but because the entire format is a gimmick. It's like Duolingo: people have 1,000+ day streaks and yet can't speak two sentences in their language. Is that the results we would expect from YEARS worth of study? It's horrible. Duolingo isn't about learning languages; it's about getting you to visit the app daily. Learning is secondary.
It's the same thing with Chessable. You 100% have my permission to stop grinding. If you want to still use the site, take a step back and find a purposeful way to use the material. Simply reviewing and "trusting the process" does not work.
I have some other thoughts on this which I may post in the future, but that's enough for now. Thanks for commenting, appreciate it!
I honestly do NOT think Chessable (or the equivalents) have any value.
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I really feel your pain of not even reaching tabyia of the chessable courses you were studying. I really liked the attacking ideas of the Black Lion, so I picked up a course on chessable, and the author showed the tabyia (white has to play e4, d4, Nc6, Nf3, bc4, 0-0, a4, Re1 in some order, or your not in any lines in the main course) in the intro, claiming it was the most played line, and that we'd reach it in "something like 100% of your games." So I went to the lichess database for my (low) rating and preferred time control, and do you want to guess how often games (while playing the right moves for black) reached it? 1% !!! I'm supposed to spend 100s of hours on this? It just goes to show how useless studying opening theory is for beginner/intermediate players.
ReplyDeleteMaybe someday if I'm rated a lot higher and playing serious OTB games I'll give it another go. But it's not at all relevant for me at the moment.
Right. I honestly don't think anyone "needs" to do that level of study. In the vast majority of cases, in the majority of fields, learning general rules is more important than learning concrete specifics. Get injured playing a sport? Apply RICE: rest, ice, compress, elevate. You can learn it in seconds and it applies the majority of the time. Much more effective than learning the optimal treatment for every possible injury.
DeleteIt's the same thing with chess openings. General opening principles, plans and ideas apply to a wide swath of positions and take little time to learn; that is so much more useful than learning concrete lines that you will likely not face. Worse, it's much harder to "connect the dots" and learn the themes with concrete variations, so you don't really get a sense of how to play the opening.
My approach now is basically "learn the general stuff and the specifics will take care of themselves." Admittedly, I haven't played much lately to test this, but my chess training is much richer and more enjoyable because of it.
Great conversation. Thanks Jake for weighing in. And SmithyQ, just read your blog on general plans. Makes perfect sense. In a way it’s like learning music. Once you know the basics you can riff on a theme and fill in the gaps over time.
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